Gareth Southgate has had nights of deep disappointment as England manager before but none laced with the level of vitriolic personal abuse and scrutiny that followed humiliation by Hungary at Molineux.
The loss to Croatia in the last four of the 2018 World Cup in Russia and the defeat to Italy on penalties in the Euro 2020 final last July fell under the banner of glorious failure as England were in territory they had not occupied in so long.
Southgate's own status as - so the song went - "the one" was largely untouched among England supporters even though his conservative approach in both those games had been revisited amid a dreadful start to their Nations League campaign.
The 4-0 embarrassment at the hands of a workmanlike but hardly world class Hungary side was different. Very different.
Southgate was the main target for a mutinous Molineux as the pain piled up with loud chants of "You don't know what you're doing" as a result of the worst performance in his six years and 74 games as England manager.